I'm sure Vittles isn't constipated at this news.
Call me suspicious, but they had better make sure that this wasn't a hit job.
"Palfrey's body was found in a small storage shed near her mother's mobile home, police say".
Maybe I read through this too quickly but this struck me as odd. No disclosure of the contents of the note nor a penmanship analysis. That will come in time.
I'm wearing the tin foil cap tonight as the I am sure the electro-magnetic mind control devices will be working overtime.
It is a sad society that we live in that the seller of sex is put through hell but the clients who commit "serious sins" with her can walk around as if nothing happened.
That wasn't a suicide. She knew too much. Cheney was a client, and Cheney gets people whacked.
Of course, it'll be declared a "suicide" but in actuality, she was "suicided." Just like the Palestinian charity organizer who "killed" himself by wrapping himself in duct tape and drowning.
The Zionists, Neocons, and related treasonous scumbags take no prisoners.
Zionists? Now give me a break.
I have never understood the liberal hatred of Israel. Yes, Israel has done wrong (just like every country, including ours, has done wrong).
But Israel has been under attack since its creation. And people get so mad when they have the nerve to defend themselves.
The reference to Zionists was in regard to the Palestinian who was apparently murdered a couple weeks back. How you extrapolate "liberal hatred of Israel" from that comment is not clear.
What's needed is accuracy. For example, your statement that "Israel has been under attack since its creation" is hardly accurate.
More accurately, Israel was created through terrorism, massacres, and ethnic cleansing. For sixty years, Israel has made no effort to atone for these original sins. Instead, the Israelis have constantly murdered the indigenous population of Palestine, stolen their land, and attacked their neighbors.
These actions don't result in admiration. Those who prattle on about Israel's so-called "right to exist" must think that Hitler had a "right" to commit the Holocaust.
"But Israel has been under attack since its creation."
Matter, your twisted logic is very wrong. Period.
And, Daniel Z., in recent years, the state of Israel has not been the doormat victim of the Middle East the left traditionally likes to back. It gained support for first being a refuge for so many who escaped Hitler, then it was the little country that could hold its own against its neighbors who wanted to wipe it off the face of the earth. Since about 1970 or thereabouts, time has revealed that it, like most any country on this planet, is full of flawed human beings that cannot be easily classified as victims, holy people, heroes, or just Israelis. The fact that the surrounding countries constantly refuse to take in the Palestinians that are there, coupled with the many Israelis that have repeatedly tried to make peace with them (and mostly had Arafat to work with, the man who never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity), as well as the religious right in Israel that is constantly trying to gain more control than it already has over Israelis' lives makes for a mess of (excuse me) biblical proportions.
It's not easy to support a mess.
"How you extrapolate "liberal hatred of Israel" from that comment is not clear."
The comment was a general comment about people who hate israel, not a claim that you yourself hate Israel.
"For example, your statement that "Israel has been under attack since its creation" is hardly accurate. "
I think it is quite accurate. First it was countries attacking them, trying to wipe them off the map. Once that proved to be impossible, those countries switched to funding terrorist organizations to do their dirty work for them.
"For sixty years, Israel has made no effort to atone for these original sins. Instead, the Israelis have constantly murdered the indigenous population of Palestine, stolen their land, and attacked their neighbors."
Oh please, give me a break. Israel gave back the ENTIRE SINAI to get peace. ANY LANDS gained by Israel, other than via its creation, were taken as a result of DEFENSIVE ACTIONS. (Or did you just expect them to sit there and wait for the tanks to cross the border)
The ONLY offensive action that Israel took was when it took out Iraq's nuclear facilities in the 80's.
"These actions don't result in admiration. Those who prattle on about Israel's so-called "right to exist" must think that Hitler had a "right" to commit the Holocaust."
Those "actions" and the description of them. are pro-terrorist spin.
The reality is that there are good Israelis and good Palestinians who deserve to own their own lands and live in peace.
The reality is that that if the terrorists groups committed to not attack Israel that Israel would stop attacking them and there would be peace in the middle east. BUT if Israel committed to stop attacking terrorist groups that the terrorist groups would use it as an opportunity to attack Israel.
Of course, this has nothing to do with Palfrey.
Yeah, either it's all that or maybe she just didn't want to go to prison and killed herself. I have no idea. Oh wait, niether do any of you.
Simply declaring me "very wrong" is hardly convincing.
It's sad that both you and Daniel have drank the Zionist Kool-Aid so deeply. (Although hardly surprising, given the consistent pro-Israel bias in the media.) I encourage both of you to research the issue more thoroughly. I'd suggest starting by daily reading of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz (Israel's leading paper). There, you'll find a far more honest discussion of Israel's apartheid reality.
Here is one link to get you started:
A short excerpt:
"According to your findings, how many acts of Israeli massacre were perpetrated in 1948?
"Twenty-four. In some cases four or five people were executed, in others the numbers were 70, 80, 100. There was also a great deal of arbitrary killing. Two old men are spotted walking in a field - they are shot. A woman is found in an abandoned village - she is shot. There are cases such as the village of Dawayima [in the Hebron region], in which a column entered the village with all guns blazing and killed anything that moved.
"The worst cases were Saliha (70-80 killed), Deir Yassin (100-110), Lod (250), Dawayima (hundreds) and perhaps Abu Shusha (70)."
Palfrey was living with her mother in a trailer park in Florida awaiting a long prison sentence.
Suicide seems likely.
Ummmm...I read on another blog that she was on appeal, and fighting it. After one of her working girls offed herself, Palfrey refused to knuckle under and talked tough.
Did she hear that her appeal failed? She would have been gone for about four years; could she have gotten out earlier?
Until I hear it from her mom or someone more credible about her most recent state of mind before she hung herself, this jury is out. That girl knew a lot. A LOT. And who wouldn't want that knowledge wiped cleanly off the face of the earth.
Let's see what Scarborough has to say about this kettle of fish on Abrams's show.
She certainly knew a lot, but she also said she would never go to federal prison (again) even for one day.
I dunno. I've seen no fishy details yet. If the suicide note is typewritten or something, then that's another story. It seems to me that the time to take her out would be before the trial, because her and her lawyer seemed to be using some "greymail" techniques.
She talked a lot about being "suicided" right before she died...
From the NY Times:
Handwritten notes were found at the scene, and she left other chilling clues with the biographer Dan Moldea, who spoke to her last year, according to Time magazine:
“She wasn’t going to jail, she told me that very clearly. She told me she would commit suicide,” author Dan Moldea told Time soon after news broke … “She had done time once before [for prostitution],” Moldea recalls. “And it damn near killed her. She said there was enormous stress — it made her sick, she couldn’t take it, and she wasn’t going to let that happen to her again.”
Did you open an annex to Nola.com?
Haaretz is a pretty liberal rag. Furthermore, the source you quote, Benny Morris, has repeatedly condemned persons like yourself who selectively quote his research to condemn Israel. Moreover, as time has progressed, Morris has stepped up his criticism of the Palestinian leadership.
Any person who looks honestly at the Israeli-Palestinian situation will reach the inevitable conclusion that it is the Palestinians who are the primary obstacle to peace. Hamas, which will not even recognize Israel, has majority support. Suicide bombings have majority support. A few years back, Mein Kampf was on the best-seller list in Gaza. If you don't believe that connotes a radical, unreasonable culture, you're clearly suffering some kind of mental block.
Haaretz prints editorials from both the right and the "left" (if we can even say there is such a thing in Israel.) As for "selective quotation" I encourage you to read the entire (lengthy) article at the link I provided. Regarding Morris' "condemnations," that's hardly surprising, given that he himself, in the same article (again, read it all) wholeheartedly endorses ethnic cleansing. A position which puts him in the company of, say, Slobodan Milosevic. Morris' position is that yes, ethnic cleansing took place, but that it didn't go nearly far enough.
As for your claim of an "honest look" I must ask: do you know any Palestinians? Have you read anything but the American media or Israeli opinion on this issue? When has Israel ever "recognized" Palestine? The answer, of course, is never.
So look at it from the perspectives of both sides. I've been examining this issue for some twenty years now. There's two stories. The Israeli story is a lie. Your ad hominem attacks don't constitute a factual response.
you gotta be fucking kidding me.
dig deep sir.
hey a.z. let's go.
Matter: The idea that I would just accept information that is being spoonfed to me is laughable. If I was the type of person who believed what I was told in the media, I would be licking the cowboy boots of Bobby Jindal and saying what a wonderful person he is and how he is doing such a great job for the State of Louisiana.
The fact of the matter is that I have taken PLENTY of time to research the entire situation. I accept that Israel has done wrong it its past but so have the Arab nations surrounding it (and the terrorist groups that are now the front line in the assault on Israel).
I have spoken to peace loving Palestinians in Israel personally. Have you?
I have been in Israel while Hezbollah was shelling. Have you?
I have witnessed the ABSOLUTE FEAR that the people live in first hand. When you are walking around and hear "boom boom boom" off in the distance, it can be a very disturbing and scary thing. When the Kibbutz you just left went to bomb shelters the very next day because bombs fell too close, you realize how short life can become.
So don't you dare lecture me about Israel and tell me how I am supposed to think. I have studied what has been going on, including the extremist left wingers who hate Israel with a passion and do things like blame Israel for shooting some poor kid... neglecting to point out that an arab was using him as a human shield while trying to kill Israeli soldiers.
I want peace for all the peace loving Israelis and Palestinians that liver over there. And the ONLY Obsticle to that happening are the terrorist groups. Again, if the terrorist groups stopped and disarmed, Israel would not have to kill anyone else.
However, if Israel stopped and said "we are not fighting anymore", the terrorists would push them all in the sea. And if you cannot see that, then you need to go seriously question your studies for the past 20 years.
This sounds like something out of a James Lee Burke page-turner.
And it's almost never really a suicide in Dave Robicheaux's world.
Ho-hum. Thanks for outing yourself as a Zionist, Danny boy. That's like admitting membership in the KKK.
It's clear you want to be righteously indignant, and your "facts" and terminology reveal that your mind is closed.
How brave of you to admit that "Israel has done wrong it its past" - but not now? 1948 is the problem: the original crime.
Surely you're aware of the numerous cases where victims of the Holocaust have recovered their property through lawsuits? I'm 100% in favor of these actions, and believe they set an excellent precedent that should be applied to stolen property in Palestine. Of course, since you've researched it, you surely know that such lawsuits would result in some 93% of Palestine being returned to the Palestinians.
I sense this debate might continue on forever, so, since it's off-topic, why don't y'all find a private venue for this discussion?
interesting how a post about V the Whoremonger degenerated into a discussion of Israel.
pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
Sorry Oyster.... Ive said all I need to say on the Israel topic. Any more attempts to convince matter would be a waste of time anyway.
Back to the topic at hand. Some people are saying that there were no signs of Palfrey being depressed and I disagree. She was speaking in a very nervous way about losing everything on one newscast they replayed last night. That of course doesn't mean that it was suicide. She was made into the evil person here and assigned all the blame. Vitter, on the other hand, gets to live the rest of his life having gotten away (at least legally) with his serious sins.
Let's make sure he doesn't get away with it politically.
"Vitter, on the other hand, gets to live the rest of his life having gotten away (at least legally) with his serious sins."
What in the hell is daniel z talking about?????
"Let's make sure he doesn't get away with it politically."
Jesus, like you have such a great tract record.
Between "matter" and "daniel"....I may hang myself.
Matter, with no votes, you ARE the Weakest Link. Goodbye!
How did we get from Sen. Vitties and the DC Madam to Zionism, anyway?