Wednesday, November 05, 2008
Quotes of the Weak
"I can remember Richard Nixon, you know, his years of service, what he's done, and everybody [was] ridiculing him, and he ended up being the greatest president in the history of our century. ... [Senator Stevens] will be re-elected. He will appeal it. When he does go, he will win it because there's no way this is a jury of his peers."
-- Recently re-elected Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska)
, who is currently being investigated by the Feds, endorsing convicted Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens with a bizarre comparison to former President Richard Nixon."I am broke."--Joe "the faux Plumber" Wurzelbacher
, discussing his finances. [What happened to the $250k/year company he was going to buy?
Remember, the tax consequences of Joe's impending business purchase was the burning question he asked Obama, which led to McCain's celebration of Joe the Plumber in the third debate, which led to Joe joining the Str8 Tawlk express...
If you think, I mean (insert affected Rush Limbaughian fake befuddled stutter here) ... do you really think that "broke" Joe just happened to pose that particular query to Obama (in swing state Ohio)? Do you really think the tax implications of a large business purchase was "Broke Joe's" real concern? Do you think he was on the cusp of buying a business, or do you think this particular query was ... um... suggested
to Joe? Consider this: mere days before the "Joe the Plumber" episode occurred (in swing state Ohio), a friend of mine who is a very highly placed GOP strategist phoned me and tried out the exact same line: What about the effect of Obama's tax plan on small businesses making over $250k? I didn't bite on it. It sounded like a different version of the "estate tax kills family farms" canard. I should've just said "For a party that can't figure out a way to surpass Jimmy Carter's 4 year net jobs total, y'all sure talk confidently about what creates and kills jobs". So, again: do you think the Joe the Plumber episode was just a random inquiry by a "broke" (non) plumber from Ohio who was concerned about buying a $250k/yr business? And did the McCain campaign just randomly pluck this fortuitous episode from the ether, and make Joe an instant celebrity and campaign centerpiece? Or do you think there was more coordination involved (as I suspect there was with Ashley Todd's hoax
)? These things have my spidey sense tingling. There's still more out there than we know.
I'm not saying these were political "black ops" that were approved at the highest levels, but I wouldn't bet against it. I would, however, bet heavily
against the idea that these episodes (in crucial swing states) were just random acts by peculiar individuals which happened to fall into the lap of a desperate campaign all-too-willing to hype their stories. The idea that these were just lone agents who happened to "ask a question" and "get caught perpetrating a hoax" is hard for me to believe.Update:
notes in the comments, the cryptic Joe the Plumber conspiracy idea I hinted at above is probably stretching things. So, upon reflection, I want to back away from it. The simplest explanation is that Joe heard the tax talking point on Rush and used it when he had a chance to talk to Obama in person, and the McCain camp seized on it because of Obama's response. Still, something seems weird about the whole thing, and some Obama symps/operatives obviously felt the same way, hence the investigation shenanigans on Joe's public records. (Which I don't approve of, obviously.)]"It's the way he was raised. I really don't trust him, and if he is Antichrist, they'll say anything to get into office."
-- Tennessean Nancy Ludwig
, explaining why she believes Obama is a Muslim, and is worried that he is also "the Antichrist." [But it's good that the Antichrist will say "anything to get into office" because that will distinguish him from all the other politicians in DC. As soon as we find the guy in DC who will "say anything to get into office", we'll know he's truly the Antichrist, and wide-scale spiritual warfare may commence. For those who know how to wage it.]
Oh it's never gonna fucking end is it? Fucking Nancy Ludwig from the Tennessee mountains. Morons like her used to be the life blood of the Democratic party before the Repubs stole them with their religious hocus pocus and bullshit jedi mind trick "social issues". Now the Democratic party fears and mocks them . . . that is until it can find some way to win back their votes.
I'm somewhat skeptical regarding any high-level coordination with Wurzelbacher just because it would require a degree of organization that the McCain campaign never really displayed. If I remember right, Obama's decision to personally canvass was less the result of prior planning and more a matter of being able to take advantage of factors playing to their advantage.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Wurzelbacher had some connections to local or regional GOP players, particularly given that his talking point was just a little too perfect, not to mention pure fantasy. Add in the lucky coincidence of Obama being in the neighborhood, and presto.
Once out there, you can relentlessly ply the media--after all, it requires virtually no legwork on their part.
oyster...Are you truly this obtuse?
My friend's father ran a cookie route that made him over 6 figures a year...Famous Amos cookies, as I recall...
It did not get "sold" for $100K+...More like 40% of that...
My friend owns a glass company that he's run solely on his own back...Five years, and I can tell you he's over 6 figures...He gets offers to sell his business all the time from competitors...and its never offered to be bought for "six figures".
Just because a business yields gross sales or a certain profit amount yearly doesn't mean that it is going to be bought or sold for the same amount...
Surely you understand this...Surely...
(Please...no Naked Gun quotes)
After further reflection, Michael, I think you're right. Got kind of caught up, there.
And, yes, Go, I understand that... I'm just using Joe's own words.
Whatever happened to the business he said he was going to buy, before he announced that he was "broke"? That's my point.
I am sure that the GOP conspired with this joe the plumber guy just like I am sure that the Obama campaign conspired with ACORN to rig voting in all the major swing states. Which of the two campaings running was built on a foundationg of cheating and getting the dead to vote and election violence and bribery. The Daly machine in chicago and Tamany in NY are among the most corrupt electionerring images one can conjure. Did funny thing happen yes was it a plot no. Oyster you are half baked on this one.
Oyster...What's your explanation for your boy Chilly Dollar Billy going back to Washington?
I was also surprised the collective, "RAWR!!!" that Orleans Parish registered...I was looking at the SOS site last night for election results, and Kennedy-an anemic candidate if ever there was one-lost the election in Orleans...I believe the final tally in Orleans Parish was 120K-19K...100K vote gap?
The reports of the demise of Orleans Parish as a Democratic bloc vote delivery method for statewide Democratic candidates was greatly exaggerated, judging from those results...
It's starting to resemble its former self...Which I once dubbed, "Where weak Louisiana Republican campaigns go to die."
I'm also curious as to turnout #'s/population...If we were looking at over 50% statewide, and I'm sure the machines were hard at work in Orleans to get out the vote, and you only had around 150K votes total in Orleans, has Willie Wonka C(ox Cable). Ray Nagin been overestimating population #'s down there?
Next time you hear a fundie say Obama is the Antichrist, ask them where that term is used in the Bible--chapter and verse.
(It isn't--if you check a searchable Bible, the only place it appears is the first letter from John, and none of those references have anything to do with a world leader.)
"Has ... Ray Nagin been overestimating population #'s down there?"
I'm trying to figure out what Weasel Face means when he calls Nixon the 'greatest president in the history of our century'. I am forced to conclude he's saying that Nixon was the greatest - sorry, *turned out to be* - the greatest president in 'our', meaning the American, Century, aka the 20th century. I thought republicans loved america! Doesn't this bastard know that EVERY century is the American Century? From now till the End?