Wednesday, January 21, 2009
We don't know the half of it
Lovely and I were watching tv and our jaws dropped during
Keith Olbermann's interview with NSA whistleblower Russell Tice:OLBERMANN: Let's start with the review. We heard the remarks from Mr. Bush in 2005, that only Americans who would have been eavesdropped on without a warrant were those who were talking to terrorists overseas. Based on what you know, what you have seen firsthand and what you have encountered in your experience, how much of that statement was true?
TICE: Well, I don't know what our former president knew or didn't know. I'm sort of down in the weeds. But the National Security Agency had access to all Americans' communications, faxes, phone calls, and their computer communications. And that doesn't -- it didn't matter whether you were in Kansas, you know, in the middle of the country, and you never made a communication -- foreign communications at all. They monitored all communications.
I knew this, but it was still chilling to hear it confirmed on teevee.
OLBERMANN: I mention that you say specific groups were targeted. What group or groups can you tell us about?
TICE: Well, there's sort of two avenues to look at this. What I just mentioned was sort of the low-tech dragnet look at this. The things that I specifically were involved with were more on the high-tech side. And try to envision, you know, the dragnets are out there, collecting all the fish and then ferreting out what they may. And my technical angle was to try to harpoon fish from an airplane kind of thing. So it's two separate worlds.
But in the world that I was in, as to not harpoon the wrong people in some -- in one of the operations that I was in, we looked at organizations just supposedly so that we would not target them. So that we knew where they were, so as not to have a problem with them.
Now, what I was finding out, though, is that the collection on those organizations was 24/7, and you know, 365 days a year, and it made no sense. And that's -- I started to investigate that. That's about the time when they came after me, to fire me. But an organization that was collected on were U.S. news organizations and reporters and journalists.
Now that we've said
hasta la pasta to Bush, you can bet that more
"embedded patriots" like Tice will come forward with stories that will confirm many dark suspicions.
I don't care how much the Republicans cry "witch hunt", investigations must commence.
Labels: Bush, crime, patriotism, spooks, tv
12 Comments:
Just as soon as we investigate Mr. Clinton's donations to his liburry, or perhaps Obama's myriad millions worth of "rechargeable debit card" donations made by oh so many foreign donors...
We'll get right on it, mmmk?
You're comparing library and campaign donations to the NSA spying on the media?
We already spent millions investigating Clinton's finances, only to learn that Monica didn't swallow. How many witch hunts can we have on one person's financial dealings?
I'm all for continuing to pillory Bill for being an elitist opportunist fuck. But if we keep doing that, surely we would also be interested in the Bush family's foreign business interests, no?
thanks for highlighting this, truly disturbing upsetting stuff
Relying on Tice as your only source for this is a mistake. His credibility is far from perfect; he has a axe to grind and was (according to him) accused by the NSA of suffering from psychotic paranoia. He didn't start dropping these bombshells until after his firing.
Even Kos wouldn't go out on a limb and suggest that Tice is credible. Without any further corroboration you'll excuse me if I don't consider any "investigations" based on this man's word to be "witch hunts."
Go...that's comparing apples and toilet bowls.
Why does everything have to be polarized along partisan lines with folks like you?
This is a basic breach of the Constitution...if you want to bitch about campaign reform, save it for another post.
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