Monday, March 22, 2010

"Stop throwing around epitaphs" 

A few days ago, Cousin Pat from Georgia (who is not my real cousin, just my crush) wrote:

[T]he strangest meme of the whole Health Care Reform debate, to me at least, is when Republicans and right-wingers advise that if a Democratic [colleague] votes for the bill, their re-election chances are surely doomed.

And the strangest expression of this strange meme surely came from Newt Gingrich (I'm assuming this news story is contextually accurate. Update: Glad I put in the disclaimer. Wapo "clarifies" the quote, which was slightly suspicious as written, saying Gingrich views the civil rights revolution as morally necessary, and LBJ would've split the party with other stuff. Disregard teh quote and commentary relating to it. H/T Pat in the comments):

[F]ormer Republican House speaker Newt Gingrich said Obama and the Democrats will regret their decision to push for comprehensive reform. Calling the bill "the most radical social experiment . . . in modern times," Gingrich said: "They will have destroyed their party much as Lyndon Johnson shattered the Democratic Party for 40 years" with the enactment of civil rights legislation in the 1960s.

What a bizarre and revealing opinion for Newt to express. I mean, is civil rights such a bad hill for a political party to die on? The Democratic Party is a venerable institution and all, but would anyone (nowadays) choose to lengthen the hideous Jim Crow era by years and decades so that a political party could be spared from re-alignment? As Rep. John Boehner might say, "Hell No!"

So it might be a good reverse indicator when Republicans suddenly begin counselling Democrats on how they should vote in order to remain in office. I love the way Obama's team has forcefully responded to this strange meme.

Here's David Axelrod:

[The Republican leadership has been generous] in giving advice to Democrats about how perilous this vote is. I wonder what their motivations are in offering us advice about how to strengthen our party.


And this devastating exchange between David Plouffe and Karl Rove is super fantastische:

Rove: "This thing is paid for with Bernie-Madoff-style accounting. ... It's a gigantic disaster."

Plouffe: "Karl and the Republicans would be familiar with that."

Rove: "You will bankrupt the country if this bill passes. ... For God's sake, will you stop throwing around epitaphs [sic] and deal with the facts for once, David? ... We will fight the election on this,. and the Democrats will have significant losses in the House and Senate as a result of this bill."

Plouffe: "If Karl and a lot of Republicans want to call the election already, they ought to break out that 'Mission Accomplished' banner."

Krugman observed "[S]trangely, [Karl Rove] doesn’t seem as delighted as he should be if he really believes it will be a political disaster for Democrats." Again, I think that's insighful. Dems should treat these sorts of Republican protestations as potential reverse indicators. They must be doing something right if the GOP is anxiously offering them cautionary political advice.

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Really curious as to why the quote was cut off, & YOU had to insert the "civl rights" stuff on your own...

Care to give me some Democratic Context there, homeslice?

By Blogger GO, at 12:04 PM  

(Thanks for the links, this morning!)

What is even wierder than Gingrich's civil rights shattering comment, is that Gingrich led the Republican Revolution that won control the US House of Representatives from the Democrats for the "first time in 40 years." That was in 1994.

94 - 40 = 54.

What is he talking about?

I maintain that passage of the health care bill has exploded most GOP heads this morning. The quotes from that side of the aisle are making less sense than usual, and are almost solely based in predictions of future results.

Not a good sign coming from the Enron, sub-prime mortgages, "we will be welcomed as liberators" group of folks.

By Blogger Cousin Pat from Georgia, at 12:19 PM  

Clarifying his remarks, Gingrich gets a retraction from the Washington Post.

I agree that LBJ wasn't the best thing for the Democratic Party, but the fact remains that Democrats were in the majority in the US House from before 1965 to 1994 and held nearly every deep South governorship into the 90's and 00's.

Despite the Civil Rights Act, Vietnam and whatever other political situations Gingrich claims divided the Dems.

By Blogger Cousin Pat from Georgia, at 2:38 PM  

but the fact remains that Democrats...held nearly every deep South governorship into the 90's and 00's

So who were Mike Foster, Bobby Jindal, Jeb Bush, Haley Barbour, & Sanford?

That's close to 30 years worth of Republican Governships right there, if my math's correct, right?

Hardly much facts remaining in your post, nevermind to start with, in actuality...

By Blogger GO, at 3:24 PM  

Point well taken, Pat. Congress remained in Dem control for the most part, but the Presidency was dominated by the GOP from 68 to 92, and in national elections the solid blue south became red.

GO: For the millionth time, homeslice, CLICK THE LINKS and at least give them a cursory glance before making hasty comments and false allegations. I made no "insertions" to that quote, as you contend. It comes verbatim from a Wapo story (whose context I rightly flagged in the disclaimer) that was later "clarified". See above link and update.

By Blogger oyster, at 3:26 PM  

oyster:

For the MILLIONTH time, it's Homeslice, not homeslice, Homeslice...

By Blogger GO, at 4:38 PM  

Hmm...

Yes.

YRHT regrets the error.

By Blogger oyster, at 4:57 PM  

No problem, Pimpskillet...

By Blogger GO, at 5:18 PM  

It felt that it should have been Hamslice rather than homeslice

By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:06 PM  

This is an interesting perspective

http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

By Anonymous swampwoman, at 9:00 PM  

and it looks like Frum lost his job for speaking "his" truth

http://www.frumforum.com/aei-says-goodbye

By Anonymous swampwoman, at 4:14 PM